Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (jopojelly) — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:51:11 GMT

My dad just showed that video to me. I thought it was hilarious that the reporter talking was the same one who was with Hillary at that time. I did not realize that she had told that story before, though. That is interesting that they didn't report on it until recently. Maybe it wasn't a story until Hillary said it enough times to prove that she really was lying about it? Maybe the media let it slide the first few times, because they thought she just made a mistake? I've never...

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (GodaiMH) — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:00:31 GMT

What do you think about the latest Hilary quote about her taking sniper fire when visiting Bosnia 12 years ago, and CBS's debunk of it?

For my part, I can't believe it. The nerve of CBS. How dare they report the truth about Hilary? Who do they think they are?

All joking aside, since this isn't the first time that Hilary's said that, but only now CBS is reporting it, doesn't it just expose how un-credible the U.S. media is? Doesn't it make it...

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (andyjay) — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:42:11 GMT

Did anyone hear former Dem VP nominee Geraldine Ferraro's remarks about Obama recently? This race has turned extremely ugly. I don't have much respect at all for Hillary Clinton anymore. I'd still vote for her over McCain if she wins the nomination, but I'll have to hold my nose first, and I won't be bragging about it afterwards. And if the Dems lose the White House again this year, they won't just have the Republicans to blame.

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (Alindawyl) — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:41:30 GMT

ac tactics wrote:
about not backing down for the good of the party. isent that how bill won? the other republican canidate (nater i think) broke ties with the republican party and ran independant. he split the rublican vote, and bill won.

Nader ran in the last two elections, as the Green Party candidate in 2000 and Reform Party in 2004. He was a Democrat. You're thinking about Ross Perot, who ran in 1992...

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (andyjay) — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:48:04 GMT

Looks like Obama won the Magnolia State. Wham-bam-thank you "Miss"!

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (Rob Heinbecker) — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:59:00 GMT

we should just open all the doors & windows in the White House and let the wind blow the stink out for two years, then hold an election.

Traitors in high places take my money, tell me lies
Take a walk past Parliament, it smells like something died
They ask for trust, but somehow I've got serious doubts
Open up the window, let the bad air out

Let the Bad Air Out -- Bruce Cockburn, 1999

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Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (ac tactics) — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:48:18 GMT

about not backing down for the good of the party. isent that how bill won? the other republican canidate (nater i think) broke ties with the republican party and ran independant. he split the rublican vote, and bill won.

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (childisfatheroftheman) — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:44:23 GMT

It's been fun to watch, and it's (sometimes) fun to talk about, but in all honesty I'm not worried about who will or won't win the presidency. The real differences between the Republican and Democrat parties are like the differences between Coke or Pepsi-one is red, one is blue, but past the label it's all the same. The president isn't a king-s/he doesn't get to set policy unless Congress authorizes it or stands aside. Maybe instead of trying to elect someone as...

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (Rob Heinbecker) — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:19:19 GMT

Trust isn't enough for me if the man can't act and look presidential in the face of adversity, which he didn't after Tuesday. And that was minor compared to what a president will have to face.

Not that I have a vote down there, but Alin's point is what would make me choose Clinton. The woman's had a lot of dirt shoveled on her waiting grave over the years, yet there she stands. Whether you like her politics or not, she's battle-hardened....

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (Alindawyl) — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:01:56 GMT

GodaiMH wrote:

Where's Joe DiMaggio's when you need him?

Joltin' Joe has left and gone away, nine years ago

If there's really this burning desire for change out there, we've certainly picked an odd way to show it. For the democrats, Kennedy was substantive change as was Johnson after him. For the...

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (GodaiMH) — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:28:21 GMT

I'm not an expert, but I want to jump in too.

I wouldn't sell yourself short, childisthefatheroftheman. Your conclusions are fairly astute and plausible.

I think McCain will have the edge on Clinton only due to her negatives. It's funny that Clinton right now owes part of her success to crossover Republicans in Texas who felt she was more vulnerable vs. McCain. The "Limbaugh factor". But I agree whoever emerges victorious may be...

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (childisfatheroftheman) — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:20:04 GMT

I'm not an expert, but I want to jump in too. I'd say no, neither Clinton nor Obama will concede for the party's sake. They've both fought too hard to get this close, I doubt either would willingly step aside at this point. The political mood is so anxious for change, it's such an edge to get the Democratic nomination, it'd almost be like throwing the chance to be president away. Chances are, in four years whoever doesn't get the nomination will not be a...

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (Rob Heinbecker) — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:34:24 GMT

Do you think there's any chance that one or the other will concede 'for the good of the party'?

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (Alindawyl) — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:57:43 GMT

It's almost a certainty at this point that there will be no democrat nominee when the convention starts, since regardless of the outcome of all remaining primaries/caucuses it doesn't appear likely that either candidate will get a majority without taking the superdelegates into account. There are only 611 non-superdelegates total in the remaining contests, and nobody is likely to get more than 60% of those. That's only 367 delegates, with Obama currently needing just over 500 to...

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (tierum) — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:20:18 GMT

A) The Florida "Do-Over" and B) the length the Democrat nomination process is taking. Will it hurt them if they have to go all the way to the August convention?

A) I don't feel as though the do-over will make a huga amount of differance at this point. No matter what, Hillary is tenacious enough to take this all the way to the DNC and have the superdelegates duke it out. Now that she's won the primaries she's wanted to, she's gaining...

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (Rob Heinbecker) — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:03:22 GMT

What are your thoughts on A) The Florida "Do-Over" and B) the length the Democrat nomination process is taking. Will it hurt them if they have to go all the way to the August convention?

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (herbkir) — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:47:25 GMT

Hilary won the popular vote in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island, but her relative delegate position to Obama remained unchanged. She's still about 90 delegates behind him. But she decisively broke Obama's winning streak and that means she'll get more favorable media coverage and new infusions of money. And she still can claim she wins the big states while Obama carries the small fry. So the battle will continue for now.

Meanwhile, McCain has locked in the Republican...

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (GodaiMH) — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:01:23 GMT

I think Obama's flip-flop on Nafta and some other responses to tougher questioning from the media is starting to hurt him. And he paid for it in Ohio.

Don't look now, but Hilary may be looking at a wave of renaissance. Whether she is able to ride it remains to be seen. Now we're hearing about re-votes in Michigan and Florida. That combined with the fickleness of the Democrat voter, it could be a magic combination needed for comeback. Polls are starting to suggest...

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (Rob Heinbecker) — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:23:12 GMT

Think the NAFTA gaffe on Obama's team could hurt them in Ohio?

Re: Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (Alindawyl) — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:43:26 GMT

By the way, we've got to be unique here in Texas with a combination primary/caucus system that's rather convoluted. Our full results won't be known until the state party conventions in June

For the democrats, 2/3 of the 193 pledged delegates (the ones that aren't superdelegates) are district delegates chosen by popular vote and 1/3 are state-wide delegates chosen at the state party convention in early...

Obama, Huckabee Win in Iowa. Is Hilary Toast?

feeds@yuku.com (herbkir) — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:35:22 GMT

Today was the official Opening Day of the 2008 political hunting season.

Results from the Iowa caucuses give Mike Huckabee a big upset victory on the Republican side, unseating the GOP favorites. On the Dem side, Obama wins while Edwards edges Hilary out of second place. Iowa was a wake-up call for the deposed front runners, with New Hampshire the contest that could decide who gets to stay in bed and who's out.

Big question: If Obama wins N.H. and Hilary finishes...