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tierum |
Ataru and Shinobu: Episode 1 |
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Okay, so someone probably asked this question before, and it's probably a dumb question, but I'm going to ask anyway because it's been bugging me
for a little while. Ataru has always been a hentai, but could he have settled down with Shinobu? If there hadn't been that misunderstanding between Lum and
Ataru at the beginning of the series and Shinobu had accepted his proposal, do you really think that Ataru would have been faithful to her?
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I suppose it could work between them. But I would personally not be happy with that outcome. I never really like Shinobu that much. I know it was Takahashi's original intention to put Ataru and Shinobu together, but I honestly don't think she would be rich and famous right now if it weren't for putting Lum into the story as the main character. So this just one of those "what ifs" that I don't really like to think about. |
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tierum |
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I agree that the pairing would be anticlimactic at best, but I was just theorizing about Ataru's faithfulness. Is his "wandering eye" furthered
by Lum's persistance, or is Ataru just going to be chasing skirts no matter what? Is he capable of faithfulness?
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Ataru the Jekyll |
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Well, even when he was with Shinobu, he would still occasionally hit on girls even in the manga. However, such is my understanding, even though Ataru and
Shinobu were a couple, they weren't in a very serious relationship. For starters, and I know this for fact, Ataru and Shinobu had never even kissed.
Honestly, I think that if the misunderstanding with Lum had never occured, Ataru probably might have been faithful. Why? Take this into consideration. He WAS
initially attracted to Lum, just like any other girl... BUT, because he was going to get married to Shinobu and settle down, he became repulsed by Lum, because
she was all over him even though he wanted to hook up with Shinobu, whom he was going to marry. So, I think that's pretty good evidence that Ataru would
have been faithful. Of course, the way things went, Shinobu started wanting to have less and less to do with Ataru, thereby making him realize that things
weren't gonna work out that way, anyway. And since he didn't really want to be with Lum, either, he figured "Ah, the hell with it", and just
went back to his old ways. And, of course, being around Lum so often and knowing that she really cared for him made him start to genuinely fall for her... but
because of the circumstances of why she hooked up with him to begin with, he's tried to convince himself that he doesn't like her, which only furthered
his philandering ways. But, we all know that he did develop feelings for her... which is why when he sees that his relationship with her is in danger, that
he'll get serious.
Er... sorry about ranting.
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x5idzer0x |
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Here we go with the best answer I can give to this question. First off I have to say that my assessment is based on the manga, and not the anime. Despite the
anime being based on the manga, they are quite different in the characteristics of many of the characters, ESPECIALLY Ataru, Lum, Shinobu and Mendo, not to
mention the Stormtroopers don't really even exist, other than at the beginning. Once Mendo joins the cast, they go away. The reason I use the manga is
because, for one, it's Takahashi-sensei's original vision of the story (if there was really an "original vision" to begin with, but
that's a whole other matter). For another, I'm more familiar with the manga than the anime.
Now the basis of the question is whether or not Ataru and Shinobu could have worked as a relationship. Certainly, I personally think so, and I think it would have been much different than the relationship between Ataru and Lum. To better explain it, we have to take a look at Ataru's personality. Unlike in the anime, where Ataru's personality can be best described as the "most lecherous person in the universe" (as the 6th movie so blatantly points out), in the manga, Ataru really starts out more like a typical teenage boy, albeit a most unlucky one. I personally think that it was Lum's influence that made him seem that way as the manga progresses. In the very beginning of the manga, Ataru and Shinobu get in a fight over him just looking at another girl. When Invader came, she came right to Ataru's side because she was worried about him. I think that their relationship in the beginning was more of a situation where they were close friends with feelings for each other, and they were just starting to get those feelings sorted out, and had just started to move it from friendship into relationship. Had it not been for Lum showing up, they could have eventually resolved it and progressed in the relationship. His perverted nature didn't really start to develop until Lum became a part of his life. Yes, he was initially very attracted to Lum. When the tag race was declared, he simply wanted to take advantage of a situation. But shortly after it began, he realized (with prodding from Shinobu) that he needed to see Lum as an enemy, and not as just some babe. If Shinobu and him weren't fighting, I think perhaps he would have been more likely to control himself around Lum in the beginning. Even in the beginning of the series, after Lum arrived, and he was still trying to work things out with Shinobu, the only time he ever made any advances towards any other women was when the two of them were having problems. IE: Sakura when he was trying to get away from that situation completely, Oyuki when he was sick and after making advances towards Shinobu was being rejected and beaten on, etc. I think ultimately the way he turned out was because of Lum forcing herself on him, and he would mollest the other women in the series as a way to push her away. First because he didn't want her around, later (after he had started developing feelings for her) because he wasn't ready for a relationship as serious as Lum had wanted, and much later, just to prove to Lum that he wasn't changing for her. |
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Ataru the Jekyll |
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Wow, that's quite a nice and in-depth analysis on the characters, particularly Ataru. You've also made me realize a few things about Ataru that I
wasn't entirely aware of!
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tierum |
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Even in the beginning of the series, after Lum arrived, and he was still trying to work things out with Shinobu, the only time he ever made any advances towards any other women was when the two of them were having problems. IE: Sakura when he was trying to get away from that situation completely, Oyuki when he was sick and after making advances towards Shinobu was being rejected and beaten on, etc.That's just what I worried about with Ataru. Any time he was frustrated, mad, or uncomfortable with the women in his life, he dealt with his problems by chasing skirts. He really does care for Shinobu - then Lum, but he never got over his bad habits. If he did have a serious relationship, would he talk through problems maturely, or would he just skip out and start chasing after girls?.... |
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Yoiko Hibiki |
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Looking at it from Shinobu's perspective, I think in some ways she would have settled for Ataru. Shinobu, at times, strikes me as being
very down on herself and meloncholy, and I have the feeling that she felt like she had to take Ataru or end up alone. There is certainly that vibe later in the
manga when things are obviously not going to happen between Mendo and her, in my opinion. Not that she would wind up with Ataru at that point, by the that
obviously wasn't going to happen, but she did seem to feel like there was no one for her before Inaba came along.
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x5idzer0x |
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As far as Ataru's way of dealing with problems... just consider the fact that he's a 17 year old boy. 17 year old boys aren't exactly known for
their abilities to shoulder responsibility or handle situations maturely. He's still a few years away from psychological maturity to the point where he
would be able to do such things. Call it growing up, call it growing out of it, either way... it's growing. In time, I'm sure he'd be more than
capable of handling things. Especially considering his life-loving, free-spirited attitude about things. Positive outlooks on life take a lot of trauma to
destroy. The only question about it is if Lum would put up with him for so long, or if he would have to find someone else by the time he can reach that point.
As far as Shinobu's settling for Ataru, I don't know if I can agree with that or not. In some ways I do, some ways I don't. Consider this: Ataru and Shinobu had been close for a very long time. At first as childhood friends, and then (until Lum showed up), developing a romance. It seemed to me even after Lum showed up that they would still try and make things work. It wasn't Ataru's fault that Lum mistook his celebrating his engagement to Shinobu as a marriage proposal. It also wasn't Ataru's fault that he was forced by family, friends, and neighbors to accept Lum's offer to live with him to pay off that taxi fare, either. It again wasn't Ataru's fault when Lum took stalking to a whole new level after she forced her way into his life (despite his attempts to escape it all). Can you say as much that she settled for him as you can that despite their long friendship, once Lum arrived, she was pretty damned quick to just drop him for Mendo? Now, I can understand her getting fed up with the whole love triangle situation with Ataru and Lum that quickly. But what bothers me about her, is how, despite his looks and money, she stuck by Mendo's side through SO MUCH, but when Ataru was getting screwed over, she was so quick to abandon him any chance she could get. Despite all his problems, Ataru tried making things work. Shinobu was so eager to just drop Ataru... and yet she stood by Mendo despite his obsessing over Lum, despite his ignoring her unless she was the only other girl around at the time, despite his many attempts to murder someone who was supposed to be a close friend since childhood that never really wronged her, and at first, despite his arranged engagement to Asuka. It wasn't until Inaba came around that she really got over Mendo. Maybe I just don't understand women's minds, maybe she was just being a self-serving b*tch, I don't know. Either way, at first there seems every indication that her and Ataru were really developing a close relationship, but as the story progresses, it makes it seem more and more like she was with him because it was convenient. Like she was with him not because there weren't better options out there, but because he was the easy choice. Deep down, I think Shinobu is really a weak character. I'm not saying she's a bad character, but her insane physical strength is most certainly balanced by a weakness of personality. Personally, I think Ataru is better off without her than she is without him. |
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x5idzer0x |
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Oh, and there's something else that I think is worthy of note. As far as Ataru being loyal to Shinobu... remember the time when he was taken down to the
Dragon Palace on that field trip? Remember how he chose to go try and spend some time with Shinobu instead of going with the others to go peep on the
girl who turned out to be a Kappa? I think it's a good example of showing how Ataru could have easily stayed faithful to Shinobu had Lum not come along.
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x5idzer0x, I don't know what I can say other than that I agree with everything you said about Ataru. I'm not entirely sure what to think in regards to
your opinions about Shinobu, but you seem to know Ataru better than anybody else I've ever known.
I suppose it might be possible that a great deal of his flirtatious attitude was developed solely because he never had any interest to be with Lum in the first place, and it was his way of letting her know, "I don't like you!" Granted, we all know he did end up developing feelings for her, but by then what he did became habit. So, you may very well be right that Ataru would have been faithful to Shinobu had Lum never entered his life. Obviously, even though he did feel a physical attraction to Lum (who wouldn't?) at the beginning, he was already with Shinobu and THAT'S why he so badly wanted to not have Lum around at first (his reasons would change later on, but by that point, the fact of the matter is that he did want Lum around but would never admit it to himself). Lum really did affect Ataru quite a bit, it seems.
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x5idzer0x |
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Oh, believe me when I say this... I've given myself a pretty good reason to get to know Ataru as best as I can. The same reason has me getting to know the
other major players in the series just as well. I'm kinda working on a UY remake doujinshi in my free time. Well, more of a retelling than a remake,
because a few things are different (number one being that I'm trying to do away of the "gag of the week" nature of the original to make mine more
story-oriented). I don't want to get too much into anything about it because I want to actually have some real work done on it before I get anyone
(especially myself) too excited about it. I've only got a little work done on the scripts of the first main arc as of now, so who's to say how long
it'll take. Anyway, now is not the time to get too into all of that.
Anyway, as far as the whole Lum-Ataru-Shinobu love triangle goes. I don't think the reason he didn't want Lum around was because he already had Shinobu as much as it was that she forced her way into his life and started ruining everything. Not just his relationship with Shinobu, but his lifestyle, his relationship with his parents (who although they may not have cared for him as much as parents should, they seemed to be infatuated with Lum, and later with Ten as well, after she moved in), his friendships (the Stormtroopers were originally his friends, after Lum, they were constantly doing everything to ruin his reputation, and anything he would desire all in the name of Lum), even many times destroying the very house he lived in. If there was any way that Lum could ruin his life, to him, it seemed like she did, and she did so against his wishes. He never wanted her there in the first place. Yes, he had the initial attraction, but like any other girl he came across, she would have just been a passing fancy during one of his fights with Shinobu had things not she not taken the end of the tag match the way she did. I can't really hate Shinobu or Lum though, honestly. While they may have their bad points, they each also have a number of good things going for them. But you know, that's what makes for a good character in any story. |
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Diko Linnai |
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No, I don't think he would have been faithful. He probably kept her around b/c she genuinely cared for him at times and stuck by him through all his
womanizing. In the very 1st vol 1st chap Shinobu dumped him and he didn't seem too concerned. All the times he tried to get Shinobu back was more of a
possessive thing so she couldn't be w/ any other man or that he knew if he layed it on thick enough she would go back to him.
"Miss Shinobu won't you have some tea with me?"
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